Thoughts on the current “hijab use in the police” debate in Norway

This is probably quite uninteresting for most of my international readers, but it is an issue that seriously concern Muslim women and their opportunities in Norway. Therefore I really need to write about it.

Some months ago I posted a link to an article about Keltoum Hasnaoui Missoum and her dream to become a “police woman”. Mrs. Hasanaoui actually wrote a letter where she inquired about the possibilities of wearing the hijab with the police uniform, and early this month (4th of February), the justice ministry decided to allow this.

Well, it obviously didn’t end there. From this date until a couple of days ago, fierce debates on whether or not the police should be religiously neutral, whether Norway was subjected to hidden “Islamization” and many others, were arising.

The debates accumulated and got totally out of hand of what was really the issue… It even went so far that a former minister and talk show host, Karita Bekkemellem, managed to say that “we are against female genital mutilation in Norway, and I feel tempted to put this (hijab) in the same category”. Apart from this being a highly disturbing and discriminating comment, it clearly shows ignorance on the issue. I mean, how can you possibly connect the free choice of wearing hijab for religious and personal reasons with such a controversial and, dare I say, un-islamic and ILLEGAL action of FGM? I was asked to comment on the remark, because I once guested the talk show where she’s co hosting, you can read it here. It is however, not very serious – somehow I manage to lose all my seriousness and ability to discuss things the way I imagine and want to do once somebody interviews me – a horrible habit I must say. 

Few days and numerous debates later, the ministry of justice announced that they were no longer working on allowing hijab with the police uniform, and an understandably disappointed Hasnaoui is left with crushed hopes.

Now what is wrong with all of this? First of all, one should never publicly announce the decision of allowing women to wear hijab in the police, only to cowardly withdraw days later. That is an outrageous fact itself. Second, this debate, emotional as it was, reveals some true hatred, ignorance and fear towards Islam and Muslims. I believe that the hatred is in fact a product of the fear, and that the fear is a mere product of ignorance, of not knowing and thus making own frightening versions of the real issue.

An “islamization” of Norway, hmmm, I wonder what goes on in the minds of people uttering such words… I believe that most Muslims wish to live in accord with their religion to the extent they can manage to do so, but that this does not involve a burning desire to make Norway an Islamic society in any way. Live and let live, that is simply what they ask for. Let me live my life a good Muslim, like you live your life a good Christian, Jew, atheist or anything else. As long as we all stick to morals, respect the laws, and are tolerant of other people’s views (as long as they are not dangerous or oppressing – Herbert Marcuse, Repressive tolerance – please don’t tell me that Islam preach any of these, if you do your homework properly you will know it is not the fact) we should be able to wear what we want to, pray how we want to, and believe in whatever we find ourselves believing in. There is no threat to anyone – we have all been coexisting relatively peacefully in the past, we should all be able to manage this perfectly in the presence and the future.

Hijab is a right, as is the choice not to wear it, and the choice to wear bikini to the beach if you wish to do so. And as long as you have the desired qualifications, it should be your right to enter into whatever career you want, regardless of your religion. That is simply a basic principle of justice. Now if anybody believes that hijab (or any other religious head cover) is a requirement of the religion (regardless of how other people may think of that), and it doesn’t do harm to anyone, isn’t it then a right of religious freedom to be allowed to wear it, and isn’t it a mere right to try to enter your desired career path (that you have the necessary qualifications for) wearing this?

A ‘no’ to these questions would be a contradiction to the basic rights and liberties of Western democracies. One cannot take away the rights of a group of people because one doesn’t like their religion. That is inequality, and inequality is definitely non consistent with democracy.

Now. The decision reached after all these discussions and debates, was a ‘NO’ to hijab in the police. It was not just a ‘no’ to the use of hijab in the police; it is also a ‘no’ to hijab wearing Muslim women in any other profession that requires face-to-face contact with the people. Why? A huge part of the negative opinions on the use of hijab in the police was not opinions that restricted themselves to this in particular. The debate displayed a frightening attitude towards the hijab itself, people’s views on the hijab is not favorable at all. The opposition to this proposal of allowing hijab in the police, and the following withdrawal of the proposal will lead to one thing only. People will have fewer scruples when it comes to discrimination on the basis of religious identity in hiring to any field, and this will result in even less opportunities for Muslim women choosing the hijab. The decision of dropping the proposal is of giving into the tyranny of the majority and thus limiting the rights of a certain group of people, is something that really doesn’t belong in a society with strong democratic values.

Shame on you for playing the hijab and the professional fates of Muslim women as a political card.

 

26 Responses to “Thoughts on the current “hijab use in the police” debate in Norway”

  1. Thank you for your post!
    It was really interesting!

  2. Assalamu alaikum

    thanks for sharing this with us. I would like to add that I am very interested in hearing what kind of problems my hijabi sisters have to deal with in other parts of the world! We are one Ummah, your pain is my pain, your concerns are my concerns and your victory is my victory. We’re sisters and nothing’s going to change that!

    Reading this post made me so sad, I can’t believe this is happening in a “modern” country like Norway! :o (

  3. ugh, sorry this was supposed to be a sad smiley. *blushes*

  4. The reason why it was denied was that the police uniform should be neutral of religious and political views. What you wear in the office or as a shopkeeper I can’t care less about. But the police should be neutral.

    To quote from the rules:

    “Sivile plagg og effekter skal ikke nyttes synlig sammen med uniformseffekter. Unntak herfra er plagg av sivil modell som er approbert til både uniform og sivilt bruk.”

    Hijab is a personal – and civilian – effect. That also includes christian crosses, jewish david stars and so forth.

    So it was a correct decision not to allow it.

    .. Just to show what muslims think of authority people using effects from other religions:

    http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article724703.ece

    This is another authority figure – a teacher – that used an religious effect. Muslims complained on this. I’ve had teachers showing both their muslim and christian views, and never thought anything wrong about that.

  5. Geir, I have absolutely no problem with being helped by a police officer wearing kippah or the sikh turban or rings with christian crosses. As we do know, Norwegian police men are currently wearing freemasonry rings with a visible cross on it with their uniforms – not a problem for me at all – but people of other religions should also be allowed to wear their religious “musts” too, don’t you think that would be less than fair?

    I do fail to see why it is that important with religious neutrality anyway. All “Abrahamic” religions are based on the same moral core values, and most other religions too, are based on positive rules. Will you find it difficult to be helped by an obviously Muslim or Jewish police officer? If ‘yes’, it is unbelievable that it really matters to anyone what a person’s religion is when he or she is just doing the job he or she is supposed to do… If ‘no’ then where is the real problem?

    Lastly, denying people wearing hijab or turban or whatever is denying the police forces to accurately reflect the society, while taking away the opportunities of a certain group – not good!

  6. Mashallah!! This was an insightful and well written post!!

    I have never seen a hijabi police officer in the US and probably never will. They would probably deny her for whatever reason and say its her test scores. (did you know in the US if you score too high on the police exam you won’t be admitted into the academy?)

    I also don’t know what is so neutral about denying yourself the right to exsist!! The piece of cloth on my head never hurt anybody and if they think I’m oppressed they should just ask me before talking to their non Muslim collague (sp?) about it. I am not here to convert anyone, I am here to live my life according to my beliefs which do not hurt nor hinder anyone else. Why is that so wrong? Why am I not allowed the same rights as everyone else just because I follow a religous minority and not the majority?

    Sorry I went off on tangent. But even though Norway is not my country, this issue always seems to move me. I just wish people who had questions about us would actually come to us for answers instead of just pulling something out of thin air.

    Con paz y amor…

  7. And honestly, in an emergency are you really truly going to care about what someone’s faith is? Because if do, it might not be that big of a deal to call the police in the first place.

  8. check out prohijab.net protect hijab for news on struggles for the hijab worldwide

  9. Michelle Therese Says:

    I don’t see police in hijab as “not neutral.” It’s a personal choice to wear the headscarf, not a method of forcing the Islamic faith on others. If people in Norway feel that a police woman wearing hijab is a threat to *their* personal choices, then they are insecure and immature. They feel “judged” because they are too concerned about themselves and what others think about them.

    One thing that really annoys me is this idea of parts of the Western world becoming Islamified. Far to many people in the West are too lazy and selfish to obey and love God. They want to live life without God so that they don’t have to obey God. This way they can do whatever they want without having to answer to God. And so, many countries in Europe and also Britain have become almost like a place full of adult children always out to play and seek pleasure and not God. They dress immodestly, have sex outside of marriage, drink booze, have children outside of marriage… all of this has become “Norma” and so anyone of *any* religion sticks out and becomes a “threat”.

    And so the Muslims in the West become very obvious because of their faith in God and those who never think about God become hostile towards Muslims. It would be the same thing if hundreds of thousands of Catholics began to live in the West! It’s not necessarily a hatred of Islam or Muslims but a hatred of the fact that God is being obeyed and worshipped and this shows others that they are not doing what they should be doing ~ loving and serving God instead of themselves.

    All this fuss about the hijab is because of the fear of God. People know in their hearts that God is real but they try and remove all reminders of God from the world around them. Seeing a police woman or a shopkeeper with a head scarf is a powerful reminder of God ~ and we can’t have that!

    Comparing hijab scarves with female genital mutilation is a cheap attempt to cause people to become afraid of the hijab so that then it can be made illegal.

    What happens to Muslim women anywhere in the world is very important to women everywhere because these same oppressions can happen to all women everywhere! If Muslim women cannot wear their hijab then how much longer before Christain women are also forbidden by the governments? This post is important to everone!

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  12. Attitudes like this:

    All this fuss about the hijab is because of the fear of God. People know in their hearts that God is real but they try and remove all reminders of God from the world around them. Seeing a police woman or a shopkeeper with a head scarf is a powerful reminder of God ~ and we can’t have that!

    stops the conversation cold. Seeing a woman wearing hijab does NOT make me think of god. I do not believe in your god and no amount of public head-scarf wearing will make me spontaneously start believing in your god.

    As soon as I see comments like this, I don’t want to support the wearing of hijab by public officials.

    To those of you who say that wearing hijab is neutral and nonreligious, I suggest you sit down and have a nice conversation with your friend Michelle.

  13. I think it was the correct decision not to allow it.

    You say that she is as free to wear the hijab as others are to wear a bikini… are women free to wear bikinis in Saudi or Iran or many other places in the middle east? NO! So one should not be offended that the Norwegians similarly are againt the hijab.

    One woman’s hijab, is another woman’s bikini!!

  14. Norway is a Christian country. What you are refering to is Rikssymbolet of Norway, and please don’t tell me that you want that to change. That is what Norwegians mean when they talk about islamification. When you come to a Christian country what do you expect?

    And western – Norwegian – women are afraid that you are trying to force the hijab on them. What do you think about that?

    And there is a reason why its called police UNIform, not mulitform.

    It’s not a human right to enter the police force.

  15. wow!!

    I’m glad you’re back!! misseddd youuuuuu!!!! ^^. Al hamd lilah ur okay. yay!!!

    Madiha MK (youtube hijab tutorial gal)

  16. i think this is very misunderstood by some….I am from norway and norwegians have generally no hatred against muslims or the hijab, but for me and many others it is totally absurd to even wear the hijab. we respect those who feel the need to wear it, but it must be some understanding for us not wanting it inn our police uniform. it has nothing to do with the state of Norway. as we go to other countries we need to respect their rules and how they want us to act or wear clothes, and we don’t expect those countries to respect our needs or belive systems. we accept the way of living were we go…how about showing some respect and understanding for the norwegian way of life, at least when living inn norway.
    lets take a look inn the mirror…how would the outcome be if a norwegian went to the muslim world and wanted to change their rules to the “norwegian way of living” benefit? and if it was not allowed , should we feel that it was hatred against us? nope, we would accept their way of life or gone home.
    as inn a debate on the tv a couple of years a go, a muslim suggested all of the norwegians should read the “koran”(sry if I spell it wrong) for us to learn their way of life and their rules inn the muslim religion, so we could stop humiliate them. I say again, this is not about hate at all, it’s all about understanding and respect of the people and their way of life in the country you live inn.
    in france I have been stopped by the police beeing told to put my t-shirt on in a hot summer day. to me that was really stupid but ofcourse i respected it. in Norway u can wear (or not wear) what ever u like, or walk in your trousers if u like, if u want to be nude u can go to special beaches. and in certain jobs u need to wear a uniform the job has made for u, u are not to make your own kind of uniform. so if u want to be a police officer, then get out of the hijap, and if u can’t that is your problem. get another job where u can wear it, i belive u can wear it in any other kind of job. I really don’t see the problem, please respect that Norway also how some limitations as every other country without making us rasists or hating muslim.
    I personally belive this debate in the parlament of Norway is nothing but a political play to make people who do not think very far get frustrated and building some anti muslim attitude to get the vote from us. it is election this year.
    on the behalf of Norway, I am sry about the hole thing.it should never been a debate at all. the norwegian people and tradision has no relationship with the hijab.sry..thats all
    as one world we must live together and respect the rules and the way of living in what ever kind of country we live in. we need more love, less hate. peace!!!

  17. well, i reed some more comments….and the “God” talk makes me frustrated. I am a beliver in some kind of God, I belive God is an expression of the laws of the universe, the power of nature, and we have been given the gift of thinking and not act on instinct, and the ability of seeing the aspect of right and wrong. or is this thinking ability really a gift?

    if we look at the animals, they sometimes need to eat and there is some sad outcome in the sacrifice, but that is a part of nature to regulate the system of life on earth. except the sacrifising they live in great harmony.

    the crazy thing with humans is that there is no one there to eat us, so we get a lot of crazy ideas to kill each other. and the set of different religions, wich of my point of view, is a great tool for such

    how could it possible matter to God (if it is one man in heaven watching us, judging us) what kind of clothes u wear, or how many times u go to any kind church, and those kind of things…
    don’t u think it is more importend that we respect eachother and the laws of nature, find a way of living together in harmony in the name of God ( what ever God is), without fighting over theese small things, like what to wear.

    what if u were borned and there was no one there to teach u any religion, then u were all alone to figure out life on the planet, how to live your life, how to survive. what then would be the path of your heart? I’m quite sure there would be no thinking of hijab or u needed to go to church every sunday.

    I guess I would pray every night for the sun to give me light and warmth the next day, so I could see the beautiful earth again and enjoy its amazing fruits.

    the biggest problem almost anywhere on planet earth today is small thinking and greed. what is the problem inn accepting and enjoying people for how amazing the individuals are. if we all could have dropped the “my way or the highway” thinking, respected the individ and shared mother earth between us without greed, u can have what ever God u like, but respect your friend having another way of thinking, and becouse u respect your friend you comprimise, give and take, to make an acceptable way of living for everyone.

    and here we go, making fear and hate by the couse of something u wear on your head.

    search your heart, think simple, positive and see the big picture. we all want to live in peace and harmony, and take care of our family

  18. sry, I also need to comment on this :
    “Hijab is a right, as is the choice not to wear it, and the choice to wear bikini to the beach if you wish to do so. And as long as you have the desired qualifications, it should be your right to enter into whatever career you want, regardless of your religion. That is simply a basic principle of justice. Now if anybody believes that hijab (or any other religious head cover) is a requirement of the religion (regardless of how other people may think of that), and it doesn’t do harm to anyone, isn’t it then a right of religious freedom to be allowed to wear it, and isn’t it a mere right to try to enter your desired career path (that you have the necessary qualifications for) wearing this?”

    so, if I came from “bikini world” or the “nude world”, then it would be my right to be a police officer anywhere in the world wearing a bikini or beeing nude ?? it shouldn’t do any harm either.

    I feel that this is more about having it “MY WAY”.

    inn every kind of work u get, u must accept what the job demand. if u don’t accept it, u don’t get the job.
    inn every work I’ve had, I had to swollow things I don’t like or agree on…that’s how I get along with other people.

    and could someone please tell me , what is this thing about the hijab? is it for men, so they don’t get a “hard on” ? wich is perfectly natural, that is the first step in the way of nature for us having children. how can it be a shame to feel attracted to another human. that is a blessing from my God

    is it like if u do not wear the hijab, the men go crazy and rape u ?? then it is the men having a mental problem.

    to me, the hijab goes Beyond all sence of reason. like u, I guess, think some of my attitudes is terrible, and that is OK. I will not demand u to accept my God, but it is my right as a human beeing to belive inn what ever I like. and it’s yours too. that does not mean it is your right to change the clothes that represents some of our nationality. and certainly not with something the norwegian people has a really hard time understanding why u wear it at all.

    I say, grow up. respect the rules of the country u choose to live inn or go home!!

  19. Speaking of going home…. we have many many norwegians canadians in canada.

    The RCMP, the famous mounties allow the wearing of this sort of thing. Perfectly silly not to. Norwegians are even allowed to wear their outrageous mustaches and redolent underwear without controversy.

    There is no crime wave. Canada is still there and still rich. And peaceful. We never lost a war. In fact, we win wars with turbanned folks and troops with braids and even with hairy norwegians mustaches. we did not bow to the Nazis. We whupped their butts we canadian muslim, jew, norwegian, turkish, english, french, and even Swedish. we whupped their butts but good.

    So I say, let it be.

  20. I hear u Garry…

    my point is – if the people of canada did not want the norwegians to have their “outrageous mustaches” in the RCMP, I belive they would accept it without making canada a nazi country.

  21. Yes Lex, I understand the point.

    What I do not understand however, is why certain people, citizens of your country, are not allowed to represent their country in your country which happens to be the same country. They are not different, they are simply norwegian. A requirement that your police forces probably insist on.

    It is a fact that some Norwegians wear Hijabs. Some people think Hijab represents the subjegation of women for example, but a beard might represent different things in different countries as well. A hijab is also cultural and is a cultural element of Norwegian society. It is not a relic. A hijab to a norwegian might mean something fundamental and might reflect that persons heart. A Norwegian heart.

    I believe that one would get much better policing with a force that represents its citizens and not simply its citizens plus. Either Norway is a pluralistic open society or it is not. If it is not, then so be it. Let all police officers wear jackboots, mustaches and enforce crimes such as non-norwegian behavior.

    If it were not for the hijab dressers, the turban wearers, the braided lot, Norway would be such a country right now under some foreign leader.

    Norway lost WW2. The British Army, one of the armies that liberated Europe, had more Indians and Africans in its forces than all of the scot irish combined.. Muslims fought and died in Italy, North Africa, Europe and even in Germany in various units. There were no muslim SS Units although there was a Norwegian Unit. These people that Norwegians seem to hate are the very people that let you be free.

    But that in the end is not the point. You do not owe anything. The people that liberated you do not feel owed. I think though that there are Norwegians who want to serve their country as best they could and to do so, they may have to be free norwegians and behave as their conscience tells them. This is the great thing about liberty. And from the many norwegians I have known, a great point of their character, Quisling be damned.

    I am a north american Indian living in Europe. I have felt the pain of exclusing from Canada but that has changed a great deal and Canada is better for it. Canada, because of its resources and its rich mix of human resources is in the G7 and remains a world player. Hijab’s are wonderful things because when you see these on canadian streets you can say, now this is a free country. and a great country.

    COmmon sense of course says some things cannot be even in Canada. Such as Hindu cremations or Tibetan burials high in the mountains and accessible to birds.

    A hijab is fabric. It is not the beginning of the end of your world. The wearers on your police force are Norwegians. They would be silly to wreck their country.

    I suppose what I am saying is that bans such as this not only insult the beauty of your wonderful country, but distort history itself.

  22. I appreciate your way of argumenting!! thank u…

    still, I do not totally agree. most norwegians have high tolerance and inn privet u can think and wear what u want, but inn some kind of work (such as the police), I belive we would like to keep the religion aspect out of it. and when it comes to the hijab the norwegians generally have a hard time understanding why u must wear such, and I don’t think we would like it to intigrate it to much in our society. that does not mean we hate everbody who wears one.
    the norwegians do not belive inn what it represents, but yes…we now have a minority group of norwegians who wear the hijab, but it has nothing to do with the norwegians roots. and many of us think it is a step backwords when it comes to the power of religion.

    I think it’s a little unfair of u to bring up “quisling”, that is one name who had a lot of attention becouse of what he did. and the hair on the norwegians back is rising when he is mentioned..so, he does not in anyway represents the norwegian mind.

  23. Hi Lex;

    Well said and done. I apologize but I will admit that I tried to get you going. You have a cool head.

    You’re argument might be right if you were a secular state such as Turkey where there is a law enforced seperation between church and state. The United States might have the same issue as well since their Constitution separates chuch and state. One can understand why in both cases. Norway I think does not have this distinction and I suggest must have this distinction before it should undertake such a radical administrative decision as to create a distinction.

    I personally believe that the church, religion, etc. must always be seperated since I have learned, as an aboriginal canadian, to fear the church people. I would fear a muslim bearing arms as much as I would fear a catholic prelate.

    It is always a hard time when the issue is put before one and a country finds itself embarassed when two parts of its identity come into conflict. Especially on such a subject as police uniform. A police uniform is something that is designed to be distinctive, noticeable on the street. Visibility is the thing.

    I like your police uniform with leather etc. The dress uniform with all of the buttons is interesting as well although I note your women officers still wear a skirt. In Canada in the Mounties, men and women wear exactly the same uniform.

    I cringe when I hear words like roots. The only “political” roots one has is that of your system of law. If there are racial elements in this law, then so be it. If there is not however then the law has to be changed. One cannot change the law by administrative decision although one could conclude that freedom requires the respect of Religious identity and might make a mistake in applying this understanding. I suspect that you folks have inhereted a fine problem that will in the end be decided by your law and then we shall see how libertarian Norway is.

  24. These people look ok to me, so they are sihk or muslim everyone has a right to dress as they please, including me so if I am wearing a mini at eighty so what, of course I am not eighty but why can we not educate everyone to accept different cultures or is it that we like our own way and we feel we may lose our own identity and values. But equally you can get prejudice from muslims, when I was in London recently visiting Harrods a group of muslim women gave me the the evil. Yes I had one of my short but pretty dresses on I felt comfortable, you see thats my culture freedom, yes men ogle but you have to be strong and I am decent and modest. OH YES I AM. Sorry but I will continue to wear a short skirt if I please, but I used to wear a scarf English women did not that long ago, you all this nonense makes you feel if you put a simple scarf which I think looks lovely your trying to make a statement.

  25. Garry….

    there is a lot of things that is not good inn norway, belive me…I know the facist way of norway. as I said in a erlier post, I’m a strong beliver in the laws of the universe and nature, and am not very fond of the religious game. and my experience with many muslims in norway(not everyone ofcourse) is that if u give a finger, next they grab the hole hand. now I speak for my self…. those are not the only one who have this tendensee, but I admit I am afraid theese things could happen. I really strongly belive inn the individual energi, and not the groups of religion. they are the couse of most of the blood spilt over the world through all time. I belive inn logic, common sence and ethic, and religion can not fulfill those things to me. me, myself and I want the relgion out of human life, and not more of it into my home country…it only brings conflicts where ever it go.
    the religious books have a lot of good words , but I can perfectly live by those rules without beeing religious, but I can not live by the religious limitations.
    I do not mean to provoke with this, but it is what I feel. and I only want everyone good, but I need logic,common sence and ethic ….and then we’re back to the hijab,sry, but it gives no logic to me

  26. I think all this talk is missing the point. There is a religious element, but what it comes down to is modesty. Men and women in Islam have rules for proper dress and what is considered modest by Islamic standards. It is not just a statement of religion as such. Opponents of hijab tend to pigeonhole hijab to some sort of political or religious statement, and that women who wear it are trying to impose their views on others or exert their right to make this political or religious statement. That is why they are often compared to people wearing Christian crosses or Jewish yarmulkes or some other symbol. To me it is not a symbol. It is my personal level of comfort in what I choose to reveal of my body to strangers. What if your personal level of modesty did not include showing your upper arms to the public? Perhaps you think they are flabby or something and you consider them private and would rather not show them? Then you have a job where you are not allowed to cover them up? Would you feel violated? Would you just think, “well I should just get a different job because this job requires me to expose my arms”? What about your breasts? Would you go that far? Just because you might feel comfortable exposing your hair and neck to the public does not mean that someone else is comfortable with that. What if you had a large birthmark on your neck and wanted to wear a turtleneck with your uniform and were denied that right? What if you were bald due to chemotherapy and were denied the right to wear a wig? Please try to place yourself in the shoes of someone else. Their motivations may not be what you think they are.

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